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Jun 05, 2005




Wonderful critique of shame-based theology and reductionistic approaches to sin. Barth says that the only sin we can preach about is forgiven sin. Interesting thought.....



I'm catching up on all the recent posts.... Wasn't shame the most conspicuously absent emotion in Revenge of the Sith? Anikan was inexplicably more cold and machine-like than the robotic Vader in any of the earlier (later?) movies. From my own experience, desire coupled with the absence of shame is still not as powerful a motivation for sin as shame itself and the feeling of defeat. Maybe that's why forgiveness/redemption is so important like Scott says.

Even though it was kind of hokey, I still liked the throw-back scene of Vader coming off the slab like a dark frankinstein, compete with 1950s monster movie effects!

On another note, do you have a RSS link on here so I can be notified of your updates? I can't find one.

Tim Conder

Thanks for the word on Barth. I wasn't familiar with that quote but there is a nice warning to it — anytime we describe sin we run the risk of further reducing it. Thanks.


"Who told you that you were naked." Seems that most folks bought the lie of shame.

Considering that Augustine was severely beaten by his schools masters and sent of by his parents he probably expereinced major shame. Reading the Confessions it is clear that he had a view of himself that was one of deep shame.

Scary, he was one of the most influential thinkers in Christian history. Calvin was greatly influenced by Augustine. 1700 years later we are preaching sermons to somehow heal people from thier shame. many Christians are walking around thinking they are miserable pieces of crap you deserve the wrath of hell. Crap theology has supported this grave injustice ti humanity.

Frankly, there is entirely too much talk about sin in the church, seems to contradict Jesus' reason for being here.

We are loved beyond our comprehension.

Tim Conder

Agreed — partially, Rick. My point, as seemingly yours, is that shame is a lie and myth that humans embrace as their story. I don't think we are "healed" from shame at all. The whole point is to embrace and accept Jesus' narrative as the story that defines our humanity.

Despite a Reformed education, I no huge fan of the system. But I am, as a friend of mine likes to say, "a one pont Calvinist" — having seen so much evidence of the fractured, brokenness of humanity that allows for personal and systemic evils to flourish in our world. We are indeed loved beyond comprehension. But my sense of that love includes a sense of its magnitude in light of redemption that we need.

I don't there is too much talk of sin in the church — just really poor talk about sin. In this sermon I strongly critiqued highly individualistic, guilt-only, substantival views of sin that ignore its as a relational virus that motivates our interactions toward shame, guilt, competition, greed, etc.

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